airworthiness cert

[6468]

Finally finishing-up my 16 year project. The mechanics are pretty much done, now all the paperwork. During the document review my IA noticed the Certificate of Airworthiness was on Form ACA-1362, dated 9-21-1956 (CAA). He checked with the Cincinnati FSDO and was told this is no longer a valid AWC. I was supposed to have been replaced back in the 60's?? The planes been flying on this old cert since the 60"s, long before I took over stewardship. Is this correct? Now what needs done? I would like to get a sense of direction before the dance with the FAA. For those of you who went through this before me, what did you do? Thanks Jim S

[a64pilot]

Call the FSDO. they should issue you one, but because they are still playing covid games, it may take a excessive amount of time.
If so then a DAR can issue one

[6643]

I've never heard of such a thing.

Back in the first half of the '50s, an annual inspection was called "relicensing" and you got a new airworthiness certificate each time. In '56 or '57 that practice ended and you were issued an airworthiness certificate that was stamped with something like "permanent as long as the aircraft is maintained in an airworthy condition." There are thousands of vintage planes flying around with these certificates. (If yours is not so stamped then maybe you missed the '57 annual and do in fact need to replace it.)

Form 8130-6 is the form for applying for an airworthiness certificate.

[a64pilot]

http://www.faa-aircraft-certification.c ... cates.html

[V529]

If you haven't gotten this taken care of yet............? You do need to contact the FSDO for a new Airworthiness Certificate, only they can issue it. I run into this occasionally where someone is still operating on the old Airworthiness Certificate. Your airplane isn't airworthy until you get the "modern version".

[6643]

Your airplane isn't airworthy until you get the "modern version".

Are you saying the one I have that is stamped "good as long as the plane is maintained..." (or something like that) isn't any good? Is there a reg or something I'm missing?

Found this:

From Order 8130.2H
"c. Exchange. It is highly desirable that all aircraft currently certificated in the standard category carry FAA Form 8100-2 to be consistent with the regulations. Owners and operators of general aviation and air carrier aircraft that still have FAA Form 1362A, Certificate of Airworthiness, should be encouraged to exchange such forms for the standard airworthiness certificate, FAA Form 8100-2. In exchanging these certificates, the operating certificate number will not be entered on the revised form. FAA Form 1362A will be attached to and forwarded with a copy of the revised certificate to AFS-750 to establish an official record of the exchange action. The foregoing exchange procedure also applies to FAA Form 8130-7, instead of FAA Form 1362B, Certificate of Airworthiness. The new airworthiness certificate will reflect the date as indicated on FAA Forms 1362A or 1362B, preceded by a capital “E” in the Date block of the certificate. The procedure to exchange a Certificate of Airworthiness (C of A) (ACA-1362 (12-50)) does not apply to an expired C of A issued before July 17, 1956. Block 4 of FAA Form 1362 indicates the date of expiration. Refer to the procedures in chapter 3 of this order for a standard airworthiness certificate.

Looked up "highly desirable" in the FAA glossary but didn't find anything...

[a64pilot]

Your airplane isn't airworthy until you get the "modern version".

Looked up "highly desirable" in the FAA glossary but didn't find anything...

You won’t either. The FAA has become fond of writing AC’s , policy letters, memos etc and trying to enforce them, although they are not law, and often your not of course aware of an internal memo, but they will whip it out and say your not in compliance.
For instance years ago the FAA wrote into the regulation that you could renew your IA if you took an approved 8 hour class every year, an FAA approved class with documentation etc.
Then 10 years or so they circulated a policy memo stating that in order for an IA to renew, they had to be “actively engaged”, yet to this day actively engaged isn’t defined, so the truth varies from one inspector st another

[4004]

I have lived thru this process. Some time back, a FSDO rep told me that the FAA had finally defined the "actively engaged" and was defined in their guidebook as: any current IA who owns his/her aircraft and does their own annual inspection and gets the annual 8 hr training meets the required definition of "actively engaged"! Word was, they were concerned about loosing a lot of the "old experienced" crowd going into semi and retirement.

In addition, to reduce their work load, where we had to reapply each year for the renewal, they extended it to two years - just the paperwork burden on themselves. The IA still has to meet the "actively engaged" requirement and every other year document said activity for each year on the application form paperwork. Of course, the IAs doing annual inspections, etc every day, 'actively engaged" becomes a moot point but they still have to
adhere to the two year cycle.

In addition, a new requirement in effect, and not just for IAs, but any new paperwork activity with the FAA, requires signing a "Bill of Rights" statement signed by the applicant, that essentially is the "Miranda rights" statement that one hears on all the TV police programs. As the statement says, any info that the applicant states can be used against the applicant (including medical records). As a part of the form, one has to state their 'birthdate" - I was sensitive to this due to my advanced age (92) and felt like two years ago my contact for renewal was dragging his feet and delaying the renewal but it came thru.

This year with the pandemic and varying FSDO staffing, looked like the same delay was happening - I talked to the FSDO "Frontline Manager" and in the course of the conversation, he had lived in FL during the Apollo program and his father was a NASA person who had coffee every morning with the astronaut Gus Grissom, one of the three astronauts who perished in the fire in 1/27/1967. I told him I was at the launch complex when the fire took place monitoring the test in a support building. Needless to say, my renewal was completed in short order.

Apologize for the length, but FWIW, thought some of you borderline IAs considering retirement would be interested that "actively engaged" has been defined and working. But as most IAs know, the renewal form has to be in the FSDO by March 30 otherwise the IA has to start the process all over including the testing that the FSDO may require!